Okay, sorry, I didn't realize that someone had undone my edits, thought I acidentally erased it. My bad, Destiny Shin. That being noted, I want to explain why I had erased some of the information on this page. First of all, Kamen rider Kiva's Flight Style is over three times faster than Faiz's Accel Form. Second, other main villains like the Overlord of Darkness, the Joker Undead, the Gryllus Worm, and the Bat Fangire have shown equally impressive feats as Daguva. Third, Super 1's punching power is written as 30 tons in this wiki, which is way lower than most of the other Showa Rider's written strengths here. Fourth, Kamen Rider 1's power-up form has a higher kicking strength than Bio-Rider. Last, the whole adapt to any terrain thing is just confusing. Hope I made myself clear as to why I erased a good of info on this page. Just a heads up, but if nobody responds to this in a few days, I'm just gonna erase the information again. Zakitaro (talk) 06:53, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
- First of all that is clearly written as fact till 2014, and please not use updated info like Power Up 1 to compare with these. If you have not read the book, then please be noted that the speed comparison is only done on the running speed. On the other hand, for which boss is the strongest, it is simply a personal opinion, "have shown equally impressive feats" is just a[Citation needed]. For Super-1, please read the next few line and refers to the finisher punch. And please note that if the facts are outdated, please move them to the lower section instead of removing them. Destiny Shin (talk) 07:12, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, not gonna lie, I didn't understand what "until 2014" meant, sorry. Also, Zi-O's power-up forms are not Showa Riders, just to note. For the Faiz part, may it should be written as running speed then. I don't really get your argument on the Daguva part, would you be more specific? Aside from the Bio Rider section, none of the info I mentioned above are "outdated" by the newer series (2015～), they're just info that didn't make sense to me, at least without an explanation. If Super 1's other stats are taken into account though, is it possible to make things more clearer, so that other people won't misunderstand like me? Finally, the whole terrain thing, you haven't given an argument about, so is it okay if I delete it? it seems kind of unneccesary to begin with, in my opinion.Zakitaro (talk) 08:42, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
- The point is that was how they were written in the book. This is the page for the book, thus it should reflect what the book said, but not what the other thinks. Destiny Shin (talk) 09:35, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
The book is one source of info yes, but it is not absolute. There are such things as plotholes and errors in these "fact" books. For example, in "Kamen Rider Kuuga Encyclopedia 3 (仮面ライダークウガ大百科3)", Kamen Rider Kuuga Ulimate Form is written as 202 meters tall, rather than 202 cm. Not to mention, Daguva being the strongest is an opinion, since there is nothing to confirm it storywise. As such, I don't think it should be added in this wiki, which is meant to inform its visitors about more concrete stuff. Also, if Super-1's other stats are taken into account, wouldn't that mean he has the strongest kicking power among all the Showa Riders (since you know, INFINITY)? Zakitaro (talk) 10:54, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
- You still don't understand the words I say, this page is not a page to tell general facts of Kamen Riders, but a page to mention what was told in the book "General Facts of Kamen Rider". If you have any comment of the point introduced, please talk to the author, which we, as a wiki, are going to record the book's content. Destiny Shin (talk) 11:42, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Well, if you are that insistent on adding the Daguva and terrain things, then maybe "fact" isn't the right word to use in this case. Maybe "info" could be used instead? Also, if the book states that time manipulation is not included when determining the fastest Rider, then how is Accel Form being the fastest "questionable"? Moreover, where did you get all that new info from? Do you have a copy of the book? If so, would you show it to me please? Zakitaro (talk) 12:57, May 12, 2020 (UTC)