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  • Lord Baron is considered Ultimate Form in the game. Ultimate in Battleride equals Extra Final so why is Lord Baron here especially when it's been talked about how obviously Lord Baron isn't a Final Form

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    • "Ultimate in Battleride equals Extra Final"

      I don't understand the logic behind this statement as I do not understand how you consider that every "Ultimate Form" used by a Battride War playable character is their Extra Final Form. Frankly, that isn't even true.

      Take the latest Battride War Genesis game as an example. Of course, most playable characters who have multiple forms have an Ultimate Form, which is the most powerful form a Rider can achieve. According to the character listing on the article for the game, there are a lot of Riders whose "Ultimate Form" is their usual final form (like Gaim Kiwami Arms, Drive Type Tridoron, Eternal Strengthening Armament and so on) or their super form (for some Secondary/side-character Riders). Going by your logic that "Ultimate in Battride equals Extra Final", are you going to claim that all those forms are their Extra Final forms when they obviously aren't? Which is why your claim that "Ultimate in Battride equals Extra Final" doesn't hold true.

      Anyone care to argue their way out of this one

      "especially when it's been talked about how obviously Lord Baron isn't a Final Form"

      Looking at the contributions history (since the forum is now closed), it seems you're the only one (or one of the only few) to support the opinion that Lord Baron isn't Baron's final form. In fact, I just found out today that the wiki had already come to a decision some time ago that Lord Baron was to be considered the final form (see picture on the right), so I wonder why it wasn't added to the Final Forms page until sometime this year.

      Anyway, here's why Lord Baron is, and should be, Baron's final form. Firstly, it's the final form that Baron receives in the TV series. Secondly, Lord Baron is a huge elevation from his default basic form -- you can see that many of Lord Baron's details resemble that of his Banana Arms form. Lord Baron's stats are also much more powerful than his Rider forms, and don't forget he can transform into Lord Baron directly from Banana Arms. Lord Baron's power is also on par with Gaim's Kiwami Arms. Thirdly, it is confirmed to be as such in Battride War Genesis -- the game has Lord Baron to be Baron's accessible "Ultimate Form", and since we've already established that his "Strongest Form", Lemon Energy Arms, is his Super Form due to the Arms being shared with Duke, Lord Baron can only be the Final Form.

      As for other Riders' monster forms like Chalice's Joker Form and Faiz's Wolf Orphnoch form, the reason why they aren't "final forms" is really that simple. Even though they're really strong and powerful, these monster forms are their default-esque forms, i.e. their most basic form even before they become Riders. Chalice has always been the Joker Undead, and Faiz has always been the Wolf Orphnoch. The difference here is that unlike the above two, Kaito Kumon has never always been Lord Baron; he only receives the form in the final few episodes of the Gaim TV series.

      Thus -- in conclusion -- Lord Baron is, and will always be, Baron's final form. To prevent any further edit warring here I've locked down the Kamen Riders' Final Forms page, and I sure won't be unlocking it anytime soon. Consider this my warning as you've already committed the edit warring twice.

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    • ^ well put. And if the edit warring continues, blocks will be issued.

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    • Then I guess I'm not wanted here. Goodbye.

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    • That's your choice to make. Final forms are those considered to be the last ones acquired in-series, as movies and specials often take place before the end of the series. This is why those introduced after the series has ended are generally not final forms. In Kaito's case, Lord Baron chronologically IS his last form, and as such is the Final Form.

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  • Why did you revert Katsumi Daido's last appearance

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  • Please Explain. I was watching the webisode as I was typing it.

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  • Please don't edit Hibiki-san again!!! I'm angry!

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    • It's not necessary to put the pictures on the Arsenal entry for Hibiki. I suggest to leave it as it is, otherwise the admins of the wiki will have no choice to take action against you.

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    • Ok, ok. Sorry about this. I think we need to change the 'Ongekibou Rekka' page into 'Ongekibou' page and the 'Ongekikou Kaenzetsumi' page into 'Ongekikou' page. Would you mind helping me with this? I'm editting the 'Ongekikou' page, now.

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  • Please don't use the templates like Riderinfo anymore. They're outdated and will flag us by placing it in the Category:Update Template.

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  • Please do not use this template anymore, it is about to be deleted for being unneccessary. ^_^ Thank you.

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  • Why are you known as Dumbass123? Seems like an odd username.

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  • When adding Decade to a list of appearing Riders, you should be using Magenta for the background and Black for the text as the green is hard to read.

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  • Why do you keep replacing (both here and on the PR wiki) detailed recaps about series/episodes with the brief run-down from Wikipedia. Not only should you not be copying and pasting from another source, people come here for detailed information and you're taking it away from them. 

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  • We do not use the Birth date and age template. Ages don't belong on articles. People often simply added the age manually, and that leads to it becoming outdated on the person's birthday. For consistency, it's date of birth only.

    The template has been deleted, and the transclusions are to be cleared out at once.

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