Thread:Destiny Shin/@comment-3490570-20180105191724/@comment-11479355-20180106061250

BioniclesaurKing4t2 wrote: Non-canon doesn't mean nothing matches, it means enough doesn't match to not fit in with the rest of the events. Kiva's still breaks the timeline with past and present characters together and no valid reason to use the "taboo Time Door", and how about everyone being OOC and letting a child use the poison-to-humans power of Kiva? They never said he was a Fangire child. But then there's the issue of every choose-your-adventure story: which one path actually happened in canon? Then we've got: I've never argued you couldn't place the HBVs next to the main timeline with your above context clues, but I argue than many can't be properly placed within them while staying in line with the ongoing events as portrayed. Time for some proper explanation: Not every HBV has to be non-canon. The converse is also true, in that not every HBV has to be canon too. Though it is really is up to the majority fan consensus to interpret the canonicity of specials like these. I personally feel that anything can be canon unless it is made glaringly obvious that it isn't. Of course, it should also be recognized that the more recent Heisei Phase 2 HBVs have more indications of their canonicity as well.
 * 1) Nothing's wrong with Kuuga's.
 * 2) Agito's Riders are suddenly pulled into a cartoonish talking TV's room to defend it from monsters. Explain without blaming Decade, he hadn't happened yet. It's not the equipment that's in question, it's the events. It's just a general what the ****? Was it a collective, "Never speak of this again" moment?
 * 3) At least 3 of the 5 images we see in Shinji's Rider gallery are himself, where did you see Ouja? He appears, but not in the guide book. Still, nothing directly makes this one non-canon.
 * 4) Smart Brain turns the world into a musical. Another what the ****? Plus the interpretive dance battle against the repeated Orphnochs. Collective repressed memory again?
 * 5) So maybe Blade's is fine if they made the same Trial twice.
 * 6) Where were the DenLiner crew training, and how did the evil Imagin get in there? Not the biggest problem.
 * 7) Also, you missed Hibiki's talking Disk Animals, and if Asumu became an Oni here, does that mesh with the rest of the season?
 * 1) In Ryuki, if you take a look at the screen where Shinji is working on the guidebook, the left side has a panel listing a table of contents of Riders. These include Ryuki, Knight, Zolda, Scissors, Gai, Raia, and Ouja. What you're looking at is the right side of the screen.
 * 2) In 555, all of the events that happened are revealed at the end to be just a dream Takumi had.
 * 3) For Hibiki and Kiva, we've already established on Kiva's HBV article that both are non-canon.
 * 4) In Den-O, we see Ryotaro traversing between the exercise stage area and the main Den-Liner area throughout the special. We can imply that the exercise stage area would be in some other cabin of Den-Liner. This is further emphasized by Den-O directly leaping off the Den-Liner after transforming into Plat Form in the exercise stage area.
 * 5) For Agito and Kabuto, just because the events in their respective specials seem too comedic and incredible, doesn't mean it is impossible to fit them within the canon timeline in the TV series. Precisely because they're filler moments, that they would be more forgettable by the main characters because they're more focused on whatever's going on in the TV series. Though with that being said, just because they're more focused on what's going on in the main series, that also doesn't mean there's no time interval freed up to fit the HBV's events in as well.
 * 6) Also, about the Zecters "talking", this could've been the Riders' interpretations of their communication rather than them literally talking.