Thread:Dumbass123/@comment-25421937-20161226005331/@comment-11479355-20161226022526

"Ultimate in Battleride equals Extra Final"

I don't understand the logic behind this statement as I do not understand how you consider that every "Ultimate Form" used by a Battride War playable character is their Extra Final Form. Frankly, that isn't even true.

Take the latest Battride War Genesis game as an example. Of course, most playable characters who have multiple forms have an Ultimate Form, which is the most powerful form a Rider can achieve. According to the character listing on the article for the game, there are a lot of Riders whose "Ultimate Form" is their usual final form (like Gaim Kiwami Arms, Drive Type Tridoron, Eternal Strengthening Armament and so on) or their super form (for some Secondary/side-character Riders). Going by your logic that "Ultimate in Battride equals Extra Final", are you going to claim that all those forms are their Extra Final forms when they obviously aren't? Which is why your claim that "Ultimate in Battride equals Extra Final" doesn't hold true.

"especially when it's been talked about how obviously Lord Baron isn't a Final Form"

Looking at the contributions history (since the forum is now closed), it seems you're the only one (or one of the only few) to support the opinion that Lord Baron isn't Baron's final form. In fact, I just found out today that the wiki had already come to a decision some time ago that Lord Baron was to be considered the final form (see picture on the right), so I wonder why it wasn't added to the Final Forms page until sometime this year.

Anyway, here's why Lord Baron is, and should be, Baron's final form. Firstly, it's the final form that Baron receives in the TV series. Secondly, Lord Baron is a huge elevation from his default basic form -- you can see that many of Lord Baron's details resemble that of his Banana Arms form. Lord Baron's stats are also much more powerful than his Rider forms, and don't forget he can transform into Lord Baron directly from Banana Arms. Lord Baron's power is also on par with Gaim's Kiwami Arms. Thirdly, it is confirmed to be as such in Battride War Genesis -- the game has Lord Baron to be Baron's accessible "Ultimate Form", and since we've already established that his "Strongest Form", Lemon Energy Arms, is his Super Form due to the Arms being shared with Duke, Lord Baron can only be the Final Form.

As for other Riders' monster forms like Chalice's Joker Form and Faiz's Wolf Orphnoch form, the reason why they aren't "final forms" is really that simple. Even though they're really strong and powerful, these monster forms are their default-esque forms, i.e. their most basic form even before they become Riders. Chalice has always been the Joker Undead, and Faiz has always been the Wolf Orphnoch. The difference here is that unlike the above two, Kaito Kumon has never always been Lord Baron; he only receives the form in the final few episodes of the Gaim TV series.

Thus -- in conclusion -- Lord Baron is, and will always be, Baron's final form. To prevent any further edit warring here I've locked down the Kamen Riders' Final Forms page, and I sure won't be unlocking it anytime soon. Consider this my warning as you've already committed the edit warring twice.